I hate to say it... but I miss Steven. Of all the people zealously defending Mr. Borneman, he was the only one I honestly believe actually read all the documents. And at least he came up with arguments and points that were intelligent and even sometimes a challenge to reply to.
But now Steven's gone and we actually have people claiming that the project was a "huge success?" Seriously... are you kidding me?
So after all this, 12 of the small 499 corals given to Eric were lost, the larger ones were transplanted as planned, and we still don't know why they felt the corals in Eric's care were in jeopardy. It looks to me the project was a huge success. The smaller corals weren't ever going to be transplanted, they were offered for research purposes.
The larger ones that Eric touched were NOT transplanted and will never be transplanted. No one knows if there are pathogens that haven't been identified by research yet on them. They are being taken care of by Craig of UF.
The smaller corals (or the Gold Bars) were offered for research and then mixed with Pacific corals too making them useless for research.
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In your quest for truth, why isn't any of that information on your website? What else, of importance or relevance, is there to find out?? Whatever questionable actions Eric took, there seems to be a conclusion of the outcome of the project, and the corals under Erics care has been returned.
See, this is what I don't understand David. My tax dollars pay to keep these corals protected. I don't mind that because America has so few reefs in their waters and I want them protected.....however, I want them protected PROPERLY!!! Unfortunately, the corals that Eric touched will;
Never be used for research
Never be transplanted
These corals are just as useless as previously chewed bubble gum. Sure, the chemicals in the gum are the same, but no one who originally gave you the gum wants it back.
I don't know why that doesn't upset people.
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I don't think Eric mixing regionally different corals was against anything originally agreed upon.
As an American taxpayer......I have a BIG problem with that!!!
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www.opportunitylost.org - The "Borneman Corals" is so one-sided it's unbelievable. The whole site makes it look like Eric B had some huge involvement in the Truman Annex relocation project and his actions alone caused some huge loss/impact. But the truth is - the only opportunity lost was his ability to further use corals given to him for research purposes. Nothing adverse to Sara's argument will ever be posted on opportunitylost because the truth isn't really being searched for. Sara is in a corner right now and is grabbing for straws as the only arguments left is "I have reason to believe this isn't true" and "Here are some other things that make Eric a bad person" but I'm sure that keynoter just made up those numbers and facts.
That Keynoter article is a laugh....they got to pick and choose what to report.
I used to work in Government Contracting. Want to know what happens when you file a FOIA request? You get it ALL as it's cleared for government purposes. If you think that the website that published the results of a FOIA request is one-sided, then the entire government is against Eric.
"Yes, it COULD have been a verbal misunderstanding. "
And yet you continue to make assumptions and accusations while conceding that fact. Simply amazing.
The article was written as is simply because the reporter knew that without all of the facts as you have presented them, they could not start flinging accusations as you wish they had done. Your disappointment is quite obvious. Had this article been flaming Eric hardcore, you would have been holding it up for all to see while shouting "See what I did!!!"
Face it, the only "thing" that will come of all of this is that you will have been revealed and thats about it. Yeah, maybe ten more hobbyists will have decided that they don't like Eric, in a world wide audience, whooppeee. While hundreds will have learned to associate your name with witch hunts, as happened with the "bomber" investigation, and that went...where?
And yet you continue to make assumptions and accusations while conceding that fact. Simply amazing.
Chuck... I have never, not here, not anywhere, stated that I know everything that happened. In fact, I even put together 4 different hypothetical scenarios and concede that there may be many more possible scenarios. However, I've also listed the concerns I have for ALL the possible scenarios.
Here's what we all seem to agree on:
- Hundreds of pounds of protected Florida coral were taken, under a research permit, to a commercial distribution center.
- The care of the corals was left to the staff of a coral whole-saler's warehouse where they were kept in separate systems, but in the same room as corals from different parts of the world.
- The corals began to decline en mass, resulting in the first time in 17 years that the FKNMS has ever had to recall corals issued under a research permit.
These points ALONE would concern me.
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The article was written as is simply because the reporter knew that without all of the facts as you have presented them, they could not start flinging accusations as you wish they had done.
Since personally communicating with the reporter, I would have to agree with you. They just didn't have a lot of information and (apparently) their only communication was with FKNMS who was also a bit restrained in what they could and could not speak on.
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Your disappointment is quite obvious. Had this article been flaming Eric hardcore, you would have been holding it up for all to see while shouting "See what I did!!!"
Not exactly... that wouldn't have been a thorough report either.
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Face it, the only "thing" that will come of all of this is that you will have been revealed and thats about it. Yeah, maybe ten more hobbyists will have decided that they don't like Eric, in a world wide audience, whooppeee.
My goal was not to make people dislike Mr. Borneman. As with my salt study critique, if my intentions had anything to do with perceptions of Mr. Borneman, it was only to have people view his research methods with a bit more skepticism.
I think a portion of one of Eric's email is appropriate right now, thus under the fair use doctrine:
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Originally Posted by Eric Borneman on 4/14/2007 at 12:11am
The reason I write here now is to let you all know how foolish you are, and to let you know that the person responsible for opportunitylost.org should know that about the only reality on that page is that truly an opportunity was lost. Yes, the documents posted on the site are real, but as many others have alluded yet largely been ignored (yet educated people see the transparency with ease), it is a blogsite. I will not divulge any documents to you or anyone else until I see fit to do so, and right now I have my long term interests in mind by choosing not to post the documents that would explain the events but also involve colleagues of mine who do not need to be brought into this for their own privacy and reputation being attacked by people with no knowledge of the events and who have shown every indication that the invasion of our lives and the harm it causes seems to be of no consequence to them. You have all participated in ruining my respect and love for the aquarium hobby which I have contributed to for sixteen years.
Inagine that! Eric admits all those documents are real. Thus I think one can very easily see just what Eric did by reading those "REAL" documents
Originally Posted by Eric Borneman on 4/14/2007 at 12:11am
The reason I write here now is to let you all know how foolish you are, and to let you know that the person responsible for opportunitylost.org should know that about the only reality on that page is that truly an opportunity was lost.
Well, at least we agree on something.
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Yes, the documents posted on the site are real, but as many others have alluded yet largely been ignored (yet educated people see the transparency with ease), it is a blogsite.
... a "blogsite" that has now been referenced by a reputable news source.
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I will not divulge any documents to you or anyone else until I see fit to do so, and right now I have my long term interests in mind by choosing not to post the documents that would
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that the invasion of our lives
Invasion of their lives? Isn't that a bit dramatic? If I had a research project FOIAed by a hobbyist and debated by the aquarium community on online forums, I'd hardly consider that an "invasion" of my life. But I guess it's all relative...
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You have all participated in ruining my respect and love for the aquarium hobby which I have contributed to for sixteen years.
And this little controversy was all it took? I don't even know what to say to that...
The Keynoter article was obviously written in response to the forum discussions about this topic and as an attempt to quell them.
The consequences of past and present actions within the "leadership" of our hobby is the real issue. The information posted on the opportunitylost website is merely a small window on the mistakes that can affect the hobby, which is the larger problem. Not only are these mistakes in the form of actions, but also from a lack of dedicated research and experience within the hobby, which results in mis-information that is distributed through books, magazines, conferences, web sites, and in forum discussions.
Eric's perspective of the hobby is much larger than most of ours so there may be good intentions he had that will never be realized. My comments are not directed toward Eric, but are directed toward everyone who acts or speaks as a "leader" within the hobby. Some of those leaders perform time consuming research, they set up the necessary experiments or scenarios, they take the time and effort to establish facts, they make sure their information is solid before sharing it. These are the kinds of leaders that the hobby needs and their actions benefit all of us. The kind of "leaders" that the hobby doesn't need are those who rush to publish unfounded hypotheses, rush to fill every niche that may place them in public view, load themselves up with projects they can't complete, and give advice about things they have no experience with. Those kinds of "leaders" are best described in the quote below:
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5) There are too many glorified hobbyists with ego maniacal personalities that travel around or post on the internet for totally self serving reasons.
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Excellent post Mr. Kelly... your ability to see and articulate the bigger picture here is quite humbling.
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The kind of "leaders" that the hobby doesn't need are those who rush to publish unfounded hypotheses, rush to fill every niche that may place them in public view,
::cough:: salt study...
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load themselves up with projects they can't complete,
::eh hem:: elegance coral project...
Sorry, I know you're not just talking about Mr. Borneman. And there are certainly a lot of examples from other hobby "leaders." But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, those two projects do seem to fit what you're speaking about quite aptly.
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